A moment of silence was observed in memory of retired Sgt.
Ulys Gunnels
Approval of Minutes - February 12, 2007
Copley moved to approve, all Yeas on roll call and motion
carried.
Workshop
Discussion of Water Distribution Analysis
Interim City Manager Larry Boggs advised they were looking
for guidance from Council as to whether or not they wished
to proceed with this study.
Utilities Director Cary Metcalf advised the last water distribution
study was done in 1983 and there have been a lot of changes
in the distribution system since that time. Metcalf advised
in order to determine what capital improvement projects should
take priority in improving the water system. He advised he
contacted three engineering firms and asked for budgetary
quotes and they ranged from $12,000. to $23,000. depending
on how much work they do themselves in-house. Metcalf advised
they would do pressure and flow tests and evaluate storage
and what lines needed replaced and a complete inventory of
the system and he felt the study would be beneficial with
upgrading the water distribution system. Metcalf advised
they have done a substantial amount of waterline replacements
although he didn’t have exact percentages and there
were some additions with new housing allotments.
Discussion included where to locate an additional water tower
if one were determined to be necessary.
Metcalf advised currently there was a water tower and a standpipe
on top of the hill which feeds the upper part of town from
Fifth St. west and there was an underground reservoir at
Metzger which feeds the lower part of town. He advised the
lower part of town is where they would need the most improvement
with regards to pressure and flow and there were some dead-end
areas where the city has expanded outward which were remote
in relation to the underground storage system.
Discussion included the wide range of cost quotes from one
firm to the other and it was noted, there would not be a
difference in the service provided and it was believed these
quotes would be close to the actual costs. It was noted,
the study would be citywide.
Citizens Forum
Craig Horbus, attorney with the law firm Witschey, Witschey & Firestine
representing C&C Excavating regarding the acceptance
of the dedication of Oak Hill Estates under Ord. No. 7434.
Horbus read a letter sent to Council via email and U.S. mail
dated 2-22-07 and attached herein. Horbus advised he nor
his clients or the citizens created the law, but rather the
General Assembly of the State of Ohio and the Ohio Supreme
Court. Horbus advised they were simply trying to follow the
law and they were asking for the city’s support by
following the law. He advised the City of Rittman obviously
wanted to see growth and money coming into the city and schools
by creating new housing developments. Horbus advised these
developers and residents have done so and they were asking
the City of Rittman to look at the big picture. He advised
his clients have spent a lot of money putting in this development
and have complied with all the regulations as outlined and
required by city code. Horbus advised it was approved by
the city and recorded and to be recorded a plat had to be
approved by the city. Horbus advised (former) City Manager
Robert Kellogg and other officials signed off on the plat
on November 2, 2004. He advised the developers did not want
it to come to the point of the courts having to decide the
issue, but would like the city to take it upon themselves
regarding the obligation and comply with the laws as outlined.
Horbus advised they had some charts regarding the topography
of the area. Horbus advised he and the developers and the
residents of the area were present in support of this resolution
and they were asking for this Council to pass this resolution
and accept once and for all the dedication of the Oak Hill
Estates.
Council Member Lapehn advised he would like clarification
as on the recorded plat it states, “This plat is accepted
by Ordinance No. N/A (not applicable) by City Council on
November 2, 2004.” and inquired that there was no ordinance
or vote of City Council required and the President of Council
and the City Manager may sign on behalf of Council?
Horbus advised it was his understanding that the plat was
approved by the city and signed off by the city which allowed
that plat to be recorded and under Ohio Revised Code that
in and of itself triggers provisions.
Lapehn advised he thought there had to be an ordinance.
Horbus advised under the Ohio Revised Code as long as the
plat was approved and built to city specifications, a resolution
or ordinance could be passed such as Ord. No. 7434 here tonight,
or the city engineer can simply sign off on the approved
plat as meeting city specifications which would officially
dedicate.
Lapehn advised given there was no city engineer, it would
have to go to an ordinance.
Horbus advised which was why they were here tonight to officially
and formally get that resolution as we feel obligated under
the code. He advised he looked at meeting minutes of Council
of November 20, 2003 where Mr. Kellogg stated to Telford’s
inquiry that the developer came in with the preliminary plan
and Kellogg advised they had final approval. Horbus advised
the signature does indicate the plat was approved by the
city and the plat was recorded which triggers requirements
under the law.
Council Member Steve Johnson inquired as to what was represented
to the people buying lots as to what was public or private.
Tom Csapo, developer advised when people inquire about the
lots, they were told it was not dedicated, but it was designed
that way and they were going for dedication on it.
Steve advised in the Planning Commission approval on March
4, 2004, the specific motion made stated it was approved
as private. Steve inquired as to why the people who bought
lots were not made aware of that (being private).
Csapo advised there was a misunderstanding in that it was
private as far as lawn care and things of that nature and
not for the street.
Steve read the exact motion from the Planning Commission
minutes of March 4, 2004 which stated, “Motion to Deny
the Request to Make the Development Public, but to Allow
for Tax Exemption on the Portions of the Project which would
Ultimately be Turned Over to the City as Public Improvements
such as Water, Sewer and Storm Sewer”. Steve advised
that was the motion and it was pretty clear to them on the
Planning Commission that it was a private development and
he didn’t understand how he could take away from that
meeting and sell it to someone that it was not (private).
Csapo advised he believed there was some miscommunication
because between April of 2004 and November of 2004 there
were some significant changes made and issues such as grade
were addressed and taken care of prior to the final approval
and actual plat being recorded. He advised what happened
at the Planning Commission meeting previously and what was
changed ultimately resulting in this approved plat, which
was approved for public dedication, he couldn’t answer
that question. He advised all he knows is what is here and
what was approved as a public development regardless of initial
issues discussed as the plat as approved was built to city
specifications.
Steve advised they built it to city specifications, but they
didn’t come back to Planning Commission and tell us
that and ask for our approval, but just assumed they could
make the improvements and sell them as public without coming
and getting approval. Steve advised he was on Planning Commission
then, and he never approved it and he wasn’t sure it
was ever approved other than for private.
Horbus advised Mr. Kellogg signed off on the plat as publicly
dedicated dated November 2, 2004.
Csapo advised the meeting (March 2004) when the grading issue
was brought up and Mr. Kellogg said it could not be dedicated
publicly, but had to be a private road because they were
more than 10% road grade. Csapo indicated he couldn’t
dispute the road grade at the time because he didn’t
have the plans with him that night. Csapo advised it was
misrepresented in that meeting of not meeting specifications
as it actually did.
Steve advised he wasn’t arguing about the specifications,
but it was never approved and it should have come back to
them and been approved. Steve advised he didn’t remember
it ever coming back to Planning Commission and his point
was, the last he knew, it was a private (development) and
inquired how did he sell it and on what basis did he sell
it to the people who live there.
Horbus advised it was presented to those people as a public
development because that is what the developers always intended
it to be (designated). He advised they would not have spent
an enormous amount of engineering costs to create the development
up to the standards of the city if it was always going to
remain private. He advised the developers would never have
spent the additional funds without that being their intent
(to dedicate publicly). Horbus advised he didn’t create
the law he was just trying to follow the law and they were
asking for the obligation to be met.
Council Member Russell advised the only thing they have to
go on were the minutes from the Planning Commission meeting
in 2004.
Horbus advised he didn’t know what happened between
that 2004 meeting (March) and what was eventually approved,
but he could only point to what was on the record and what
was recorded with the Wayne County Recorder’s Office
which was this plat and it was a publicly approved and dedicated
plat.
It was noted, the city already pays for the street lighting
service in this development.
Lapehn inquired if no ordinance were required to file with
the county recorder, on what basis was it recorded.
Horbus advised the resolution was a separate function under
section 723.03 which states one way for the municipality
to formally accept an actual dedication is by passing an
ordinance or resolution. He advised the approval by the signature
on the plat is what is required to approve the plat and the
Planning Commission and the city have to approve it in order
for it to be recorded and for the development to go forward.
Horbus advised a resolution was not necessary for the plat
to be approved however, it was necessary for the plat to
be accepted as a dedication.
Council Member Telford inquired as to when it was approved
by Planning Commission.
Horbus advised November 2, 2004 (evidenced by the date on
the recorded plat).
Council Member James Johnson advised his question was how
was it approved by the city when City Council did not meet
until November 8, 2004.
Horbus advised he could not answer that question as he was
not here, but he didn’t believe a member of the municipality
would sign their name to something without the authority
to do so.
James advised he didn’t believe there had ever been
approval by City Council from what he could find in the minutes
other than a City Manager who would follow where a city engineer
could sign it, but our city does not have an engineer.
T. Csapo advised a lot of the confusion of the project was
they were told if they built it to city specifications it
could be a dedicated public street and they came to Planning
Commission Meeting and were told it did not meet city specifications
and were denied, but it was to specifications. T. Csapo advised
he felt there was some misrepresentation by the former City
Manager about this project. He advised the street lights
have been paid for by the city since day one and parking
tickets on the street have been issued. Csapo advised if
they didn’t want it to be publicly dedicated, they
could have saved a whole lot of money, but that was not the
intent from the very beginning and they were here to follow
through with their plan and with the residents. He advised
everything has been met (according to city specifications).
Council Member Copley advised at the most recent Planning
Commission Meeting, it (Oak Hill Estates) was recommended
to the city to approve it based on the specifications. Copley
advised the only concern the Planning Commission had were
economics and the Planning Commission’s job was to
look at the specifications and not economics. He advised
the plan was approved to come to Council by the Planning
Commission and recommended they accept it based upon the
specifications at the most recent Planning Commission Meeting
(1/18/07).
Telford inquired if the Street Department snow plows could
handle this (additional maintenance).
Boggs advised he didn’t believe the street plowing
and cleaning was the main concern, but the ongoing maintenance
of the retention basin and how do they access that basin
after all the houses were built. Boggs advised it was a very
steep grade and they weren’t sure how they would access
it.
Service Director Dave Simpson advised from day one he was
told this was a private development subdivision. Simpson
advised prior to this March 4, 2004 Planning Commission Meeting,
Mr. Kellogg indicated the developers were going to request
the development become public. Simpson advised he was opposed
to it at that point and told Mr. Kellogg verbally he was
opposed to it because of the grades and the detention basin.
Simpson advised he informed Mr. Kellogg with both the utilities
and service departments being downsized, the last thing he
needed was a detention basin to maintain. Simpson advised
the snow plowing and street sweeping was minimal compared
to the maintenance on that detention basin. He advised there
was a twenty foot storm sewer easement that squeaks between
two houses and there was no way to get to it and maintain
it from that direction, but they would have to build a road
off Sterling Avenue up through the Metzger Avenue right of
way.
Tom Csapo, Matt Csapo and Travis Wertz, developers showed
topography maps of the area and explained the access from
the Metzger Avenue easement and advised they believed the
wash out from the city owned Metzger Avenue easement was
where a lot of the water and sediment and debris was coming
from during a rain.
Russell advised a big concern was they had no way to get
into to clean the detention basin and they were trying to
avoid problems in the future and he felt these things needed
to be addressed.
Discussion continued regarding the detention basin and how
the developers have cleaned it up to this point and access
to the detention basin.
Russell advised when he visited the site from a heavy rain
the water at the foot of the hill when it was coming down
Oak Hill where the storm sewer was located was running over
top of the trees stumps down onto Sterling Avenue.
Robert Snyder of Oak Hill Drive advised there have been two
big rains since he has lived here 57 years and one was just
a couple years ago. He advised when that rain hit and was
coming down over the curb at the end of Metzger and jumped
over and went down into the gully. He advised it did not
come down the Oak Hill Drive cul-de-sac.
Russell advised there was water coming off the allotment
down into the turn around.
Snyder advised it didn’t.
Russell advised it was coming off the allotment and coming
down as there was water coming off the hill down on Sterling
Avenue.
Debate continued as to just where the water runoff was coming
from during a rain.
T. Csapo advised they have not received any complaints of
flooding down below at Sterling Avenue.
Russell advised several homeowners have complained.
T. Csapo indicated there was a situation where a tree fell
on a storage shed and it was determined the tree belonged
to the same property owner on which the shed was damaged
and that situation was addressed.
Russell advised there were three homes on Metzger Avenue
where the bank was cut rather high and stones were placed
part of the way over, but they (developers) didn’t
complete it the rest of the way and his concern was if there
was a lot of water and that bank gets soft, it was going
to come down on someone’s lawn.
Wertz advised there was a retaining wall located there and
it was sound. Wertz used the map to describe the situation
with the retaining wall and its grade.
Tennison Fannin of Olds Avenue advised he has lived in Broadview
Hts. in a condo and in Fairlawn and Parma where there was
heavy commercial development. He advised after looking at
several neighboring locations, they decided to move to Rittman
because of the small town environment, friendly people, the
recreation center, the library and the elements of this cluster
home development. He advised in the past he been involved
with several boards where decisions had to be made in the
best interest of the (realm) in which he served and he would
expect the same from City Council when they consider a decision
in the best interest of the city. Fannin advised he assumed
that was true in consideration of the recreation center,
the school system and supporting city developments. He advised
at the last City Council Meeting the discussion centered
around the desire for planned business development and the
cost in initiating such development. Fannin advised they
consider the Oak Hill Complex a financial development such
as was discussed. He advised here was a new development many
consider an improvement for the City of Rittman. He advised
they pay taxes to support the city and support the schools
and buy products at drug stores and gas stations, dollar
stores, restaurants, banks which also support the city. He
advised they feel they contribute more to the city than it
would ever cost the city to dedicate the street and he implored
the Council to make their decision in the best interest of
the city and consider the residents whom they represent.
Fannin advised they must look to the future and be positive
as indicated by the Mayor in his weekly column rather than
being negative especially since it has been approved and
recommended to the Council by the Planning Commission. He
advised since all regulations and laws have been met in the
development, your (Council) positive vote and approval would
be appreciated.
Telford inquired regarding an easement being given for access
to the detention basin.
It was noted, the city owns a fifty foot right of way at
the end of Metzger down to Sterling Avenue.
Wertz advised if they look at where the Metzger easement
comes in behind Mr. Snyder’s house and the one currently
being built, the area was mainly wooded. Wertz advised right
behind Snyder’s house the grade was not as steep as
it is on the west side of the easement and some small trees
could be taken out easily for access to the detention basin
especially on the east side of the basin. Wertz advised during
most months it takes him ten minutes walking down the hill
to clean it out every few weeks.
Simpson advised once the homes were built there would be
lawns and the detention basin would be grassed in and people
want these detention basins to look like how they mow their
lawns. He advised it was his departments responsibility to
keep that mowed and it would be very difficult and he didn’t
have a mower at this point other than a hand mower that he
could use on those grades in that detention basin. Simpson
indicated there was also the issue of trekking through yards
with large equipment to get back there and people don’t
want dump truck ruts in their yard and his department would
be back repairing ruts. Simpson advised it was not just a
maintenance issue, he was looking long term, if we do become
owners of this maintenance problem, he would create a road
at Sterling Avenue up the fifty foot right of way mentioned
earlier to be able to clean it from the downhill side and
not travel through peoples yards although it would still
be a headache.
Wertz explained how he planted a matting vegetation in the
detention basin area which never grows higher than six inches
and never needs cut to help alleviate mowing access issues.
Steve inquired if the city had any engineering input on the
project.
Simpson advised after the Planning Meeting of March 4, 2004,
the engineers reviewed the plans to verify everything would
be built to specifications although he didn’t understand
why as he was told it would be private, but it was built
to city specifications. Simpson advised storm drainage calculations
were submitted by their engineers and reviewed by our in-house
consultants and those things did take place.
Dave Strader of Wooster advised he was a businessman and
he was requesting City Council’s permission to open
a Bingo room and a skill game room in the city. Strader advised
he would like to be located in the downtown area, but he
didn’t want to take up a lot of the street parking
which was limited. He advised he was open to suggestions.
Boggs indicated he visited some other locations in the city
with Mr. Strader he thought might be more conducive to his
business. Boggs advised those locations he didn’t believe
were going to work and he (Boggs) didn’t know if the
community would want (this business), but (Mr. Strader) was
asking Council...
Strader advised his business would begin around 3:00 in the
afternoon and most of his customers were age 30 to 60. He
advised there would be no smoking and noone under 21 would
admitted. Strader advised Monday-Thursday they would stay
open until 9 pm and Friday and Saturday they would stay open
until midnight or 11pm. He advised Sunday could be a short
day or not open at all according to what the community requested.
Strader advised the games were more skill than chance and
were not slot machines, but similar to tic tac toe. He advised
the player knows ahead of time what they could win and thus
they were not considered gambling. Strader indicated the
money was placed into the game and a points were accumulated
to collect cash prize from a cashier. It was noted, the money
does not come out of the machine. Strader informed Council
of other establishments which were similar to the one he
hoped to open in Rittman several of which were in Wooster
and other cities.
The Mayor noted, his concern was with the downtown parking
or lack thereof.
Strader indicated with the bingo there would be 8 or 9 employees
possibly up to a dozen.
Copley noted that was more employees than most of the other
businesses downtown.
Strader indicated the bingo would be a couple nights a week
and that would be when the bulk of the employees would be
working. He noted, he runs a pretty tight ship and nothing
illegal would be going on.
Old Business
1. Res. No. 7432 A Resolution of
the Council of the City of Rittman, Wayne and Medina
Counties, Ohio,
to Provide a General Election to Accept
or Reject the Guilford Township Annexation and Declaring
an Emergency. Third Reading.
Res. No. 7432 was read on third
reading. James moved to adopt, all Yeas on roll call and
motion carried.
2. Ord. No. 7434 An Ordinance of
the Council of the City of Rittman, Wayne and Medina
Counties, Ohio,
Accepting the Dedication of Oak Hill Estates and Declaring
an Emergency. Second Reading.
Ord.
No. 7434 was read on second reading, It was noted, there
was time for Council to review and research some issues for
clarification before third reading at the next regular meeting.
Copley moved to place on third, all Yeas on roll call and
motion carried.
3. Ord. No. 7437 An Ordinance of
the Council of the City of Rittman, Wayne and Medina
Counties and Stat
e of Ohio, Authorizing a Contract with the Board of Wayne
County Commissioners for Administration
and Enforcement of the Ohio Manufactured Homes Installation
Standards by the Wayne County Building Department and Authorizing
an Application to the Ohio Manufactured Homes Commission
for the Certification of the Building Department through
a Certified Building Department. Second Reading.
Ord. No.
7437 was read on second reading. It was noted, the words
Mayor were replaced with the words City Manager as previously
discussed. Telford moved to place on third, all Yeas on roll
call and motion carried.
New Business
1.
Ord. No. 7438 An Ordinance of the Council of the City of
Rittman, Wayne and Medina Counties, Ohio,
Vacating a Portion of First Street and Declaring an Emergency.
Three Readings.
Ord. No. 7438
was read on first reading. Copley advised he was not against
the vacation, but wished to give the public opportunity to
know about it and discuss it and thus he would not be in
favor of suspending the rules. James concurred with Copley.
Steve inquired if this would be holding up the project (to
have 3 readings at separate meetings). Superintendent Ullman
advised it would as they would like to get the bid in so
we can get the visitor bleachers in place before the fall
sports season starts. James inquired (of Ullman) if he felt
it should be necessary for the citizens to be given the right
to express their concerns before Council makes the passage
of this sort of a decision. Ullman advised most of the community
has thought the street has been vacated for years and the
city has not maintained that section for years and all city
officials have told us it was our (school) street and he
believed it was an oversight in the recording of the vacation.
James advised you didn’t answer my question Mr. Ullman,
do you think the citizens of the City of Rittman should be
given the right now knowing a vacation will be taking place
to express their opinions before this Council. Ullman advised
with all due respect, I said most citizens of this city already
believe that street has been vacated. James advised and now
they know otherwise. Ullman advised I believe I answered
your questions. James advised no you did not sir. Russell
moved to suspend the rules and have second and third reading,
upon roll call; Telford-Yes, Lapehn-Yes, James-No, Copley-No,
Russell-Yes, Steve-Yes and motion to suspend failed and Ord.
No. 7438 advanced to second.
James advised Fire Chief Sweigert did submit a letter to
Mr. Boggs regarding this vacation and fire truck access and
that it would not be a problem and inquired if it meant ladder
56 could approach from both ways.
Boggs advised he assumed as he has not spoken directly to
Sweigert yet regarding this issue.
James advised he would like clarification on that at the
next meeting if he could.
City Manager’s Remarks
Interim City Manager Larry Boggs advised he has been working
on a couple of grants, one he hopes to obtain funding to
revise the city website, which he felt was in dire need.
Boggs advised the other grant would be for the police department
and he hoped they would look favorably on these two grant
applications.
Boggs advised he met with the architects for the recreation
center and it was up and running and we should hear from
them in 30 days or so for phase II.
He advised the owner of the shopping center was desiring
to purchase a piece of property beside the shopping center
on the other side (north) of the creek. Boggs advised he
(Nieto) owns the rear portion of this property and wishes
to obtain the frontage portion and it was his understanding
they have to have formal discussion and inquired if it was
Council’s desire to place it on a future agenda for
selling said lot.
James indicated he would like to hold off until the water
distribution analysis study was complete as he didn’t
want to sell the property if it was determined that was the
best location for a water tower.
Boggs inquired if it was Council’s desire to find a
location other than downtown for Mr. Strader’s business
or did it matter.
Copley inquired if Council was really in a position to say
yes or no if he was applying with state law and they didn’t
have any ordinances against such a business. He advised he
didn’t believe it was there place to say he can’t
go here or there.
Boggs advised Mr. Strader was asking for Council’s
blessing. Boggs indicated he was getting mixed reactions
from Council and didn’t know what direction they wanted
him to take.
James advised he would like to have a chance to talk with
some citizens and see how they feel about it downtown or
other locations away from the square area.
Lapehn indicated in order to employ twelve people, there
was going to be a big crowd on a regular basis, and it would
require amply parking and there wasn’t that many available
on the street.
Discussion included a couple of other locations in the city
with empty buildings currently.
Boggs inquired if Council wished to proceed with the water
distribution analysis study.
Council was in general agreement it would be necessary and
it had been around 25 years since it was done last and felt
it would be good to see where we were at with our water system.
1. Finance Director’s Remarks
Finance Director Lucinda Mann had no remarks
Council Remarks
Council Member Faye Telford thanked everyone for coming and
she welcomed the residents of Oak Hill to Rittman and maybe
when the weather was warmer and her knees were better she
could come for a visit. Telford advised she hoped they
understood it was their concern for the city and nothing
against the residents.
Council Member James Johnson thanked everyone for coming.
He concurred with Telford and advised a lot of these issues
took place before he was on Council and he was just trying
to get clarification for actions which took place before
he was a member of Council and the reason for his questions.
He advised it was nothing against the development, but he
had to look out for the best interest of the city as a whole.
James advised after trying for a little over a year, the
parks and recreation committee was scheduled to meet on Tuesday,
March 6, 2007 at 7pm in Council Chambers. He advised hopefully,
we can address some issues with the local parks and get them
spruced up and get the city going in a positive direction
park wise. James inquired if the K-9 dog “Primo” was
still being used.
Boggs advised yes, when that part-time officer was working.
He advised there was another part-time officer who was K-9
certified and they were in the process of hiring another
part-time officer who was K-9 certified and they would have
3 dogs working periodically.
Council Member Charles Copley thanked everyone for coming.
He thanked Mr. Ullman for forwarding information to him regarding
the bleacher project. He advised he was not against the project,
but against having three readings in one night. Copley asked
President of Council Glen Russell to get some confirmation
on quotes received earlier on the City Manager search from
consulting firms. Copley advised if he could find out if
those quotes were still valid or did they need to resubmit
quotes as he felt they needed to move forward on that aspect.
Council Member Richard Lapehn thanked Chief Baillis for the
wonderful report on EMS and advised they were doing wonderful
things in the city and they appreciate all the good work
they were doing in representing the city and caring for so
many people.
Council Member Steve Johnson thanked everyone for coming.
He advised he would do some more investigating into the Oak
Hill development.
Council Member Glen Russell thanked everyone for coming.
He advised the Oak Hill residents had a nice development
and the items he brought out were things he felt ought to
be corrected so they don’t have a problem down the
road once it was dedicated publicly. He advised he appreciates
Mr. Ullman with trying to improve the stadium as he felt
it was needed for fifty years. Russell thanked the EMS for
their good report and it appeared as if they had a busy year.
1. Approval of Vouchers 45452 thru
45579 Including Then and Now Certificates Questions were asked
regarding #’s 45532, 45551, & 45574
Copley moved to approve, all Yeas on roll call and motion
carried.
Motion to Adjourn - 8:43 p.m.
Russell so moved, all Yeas on roll call and motion carried.